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And who is not? Why?

I am not. The lack of extra safety is one reason for me, however the main reason I dont like them is the grip angle. Cant stand it. I prefer the traditional 1911 grip angle.
I am.

I bought my first Glock in 2002. It is still my carry gun. I chose it because of price and simplicity. I wasn't even a casual shooter when I bought it. I shot only rarely. Then when I started getting into shooting and needed a competition pistol I decided to stick with what I know. Price played a factor as well. I use a G35 .40 s&w for comp. I purchased the gun with 5 mags for just under $700.

I plan on purchasing/trying other guns. I just never have the money. It took me two years to finally get the PF-9 I wanted.

I've shot a couple 1911's and liked them alright. Now that Para has a double stack .45 1911 I have something to save for.
For 3 years, I carried & shot 3,000+ rounds through an H&K P2000 (DA/SA) (without a malfunction). I learned how to shoot it very well. In less than 50 rounds, I had mastered that first DA pull and within a couple hundred, was putting 'double taps' on a silhouette at 7-10 yds. It was a great gun.

But as good as I was with the P2000, I was haunted by the words of my 'Concealed' instructor: "The best carry gun is a Glock 19. It is uncomplicated, it is accurate and it is reliable."

Then, one day, when I had a couple hundred extra $$$, I decided to buy that Glock 19. A week later, I took it to the range and I could not believe how well I shot with it! In only a few mags, I was shooting it better than the P2000. My 'double taps' were more vertical and closer together (not right on top of each other, but about 3-4" apart and nearly on a vertical line).

The trigger pull and reset point on the G19 are far superior to those on the P2K. I now have about 1,000 rounds through the G19 and, like the H&K, no FT "anythings"; & I don't expect any.

I thought that by buying a 'high end' handgun, it would guaranty better performance and reliability. In my case, that was not the reality.

I know that there are many who dislike Glocks but I am guessing that they have never shot one. For me, shooting that G19 for the first time was a real 'eye opener'.

I also know that for a lot of people, Glocks just aren't pretty enough. Well, that shouldn't matter. After all, we are carrying concealed...no on is supposed to see it!. I heard a great line recently: "Show your friends your Kimber; show your enemies your Glock!"

Still, you should carry the gun you can operate & shoot the best; for me the G19 easily beat the H&K P2000.

And finally, when it comes to defending yourself & your loved ones, money should not even enter into the conversation BUT, my Glock cost 67% of what I paid for the P2000.

(07-06-2011, 12:34 PM)Ken_In_Colo Wrote: [ -> ]I also know that for a lot of people, Glocks just aren't pretty enough. Well, that shouldn't matter. After all, we are carrying concealed...no on is supposed to see it!. I heard a great line recently: "Show your friends your Kimber; show your enemies your Glock!"
Who is carrying concealed? I thought everyone was supposed to see it.
Still, you should carry the gun you can operate & shoot the best; for me the G19 easily beat the H&K P2000.

It could also be that the grip angle of the Glock agrees with your shooting style. I think the grip angle tends to be the deciding factor when it comes to the love it or hate it feeling.
Very well said Ken.

(07-06-2011, 07:21 PM)Beau Wrote: [ -> ]It could also be that the grip angle of the Glock agrees with your shooting style. I think the grip angle tends to be the deciding factor when it comes to the love it or hate it feeling.

I agree Beau. The Glock is a great firearm. Just not a good fit for me.

I actually just sold my G19. Great gun, no issues, accurate but I just prefer my 2 XD's (XD9 service and XD9sc). If I had unlimited funds than I would not hesitate to buy another glock or 2 or 3. But with my limited funds I stick with what is best for me.

One thing I do not like about my glock was the mags. Very cheap and are harder to take apart without dinging them even just a little. The mags on my XD's are much better quality.
(07-06-2011, 08:06 PM)weaponize Wrote: [ -> ]I actually just sold my G19. Great gun, no issues, accurate but I just prefer my 2 XD's (XD9 service and XD9sc). If I had unlimited funds than I would not hesitate to buy another glock or 2 or 3. But with my limited funds I stick with what is best for me.

One thing I do not like about my glock was the mags. Very cheap and are harder to take apart without dinging them even just a little. The mags on my XD's are much better quality.

I don't understand the "cheap" comment about the mags. I've never had an issue with them. At matches I see guys taking their mags apart for cleaning between every stage. With my Glock mags I pull em out of the mud, shake them off and load them up.

the ONLY safety you should EVER rely on is between your ears. PERIOD.
Negligent Discharge of a 1911 in a 5.11 thumbdrive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

I've NEVER had a problem with glock mags in fact they are very high quality "if they are indeed GLOCK mags"

I've carried a kimber and an XD where my life depended on it, Never again will I carry a kimber as a duty weapon. I carry my g19 with me.

Grip is subjective, I teach women to comfortably shoot glocks.

11 year old girl running a glock better then most guys run ANY pistol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0&feature=related

I did not teach her but I have learned from her instructors.
I have been carrying Glocks for several years, a 21 in winter and a 27 for summer. The main reasons I selected Glock were the simplicity of no external safety, good magazine capacity, and the rock solid functional reliability. They have worked perfectly for me.

Since this year was the centennial year of the 1911, I broke down and bought one (a full size Kimber). I like it, sometimes carry it, and it too has proved 100% reliable so far.
(07-07-2011, 10:00 AM)whiskeyjack Wrote: [ -> ]the ONLY safety you should EVER rely on is between your ears. PERIOD.
Negligent Discharge of a 1911 in a 5.11 thumbdrive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE

I've NEVER had a problem with glock mags in fact they are very high quality "if they are indeed GLOCK mags"

I've carried a kimber and an XD where my life depended on it, Never again will I carry a kimber as a duty weapon. I carry my g19 with me.

Grip is subjective, I teach women to comfortably shoot glocks.

11 year old girl running a glock better then most guys run ANY pistol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCuvmbeX8t0&feature=related

I did not teach her but I have learned from her instructors.

You are so right!

I would never carry a pistol that had a manual safety. If it comes down to using it, the last thing a citizen needs to worry about is 'thumbing off' the safety. If you can't carry and operate a Glock, XD, or H&K safely, perhaps you should re-think carrying.

A great number of NDs occur when a garment (or something else) gets entangled in the trigger guard during in the act of re-holstering. It's simple: Have a good holster & belt and make sure that your trigger is never entangled by keeping your shirt tucked in, or other garments out of the way. Obviously you must always have your finger out of the trigger guard while re-holstering. Re-holstering is a separate and distinct act but is seldom given same amount of training time as drawing and firing.

I am an NRA instructor, certified to teach shotgun and pistol. In the last 6 months, I've taught two different women, who never dreamed they could operate a semi-auto, let alone shoot one, to safely operate and accurately shoot a Glock. All the supposedly 'gun-savey' men in their lives had them convinced that they could only shoot revolvers.

Once they got over their near hysterical fobia: e.g. "WHAT? You mean it doesn't have a safety?!?!?" (I did this by emphasizing the four rules of gun safety). And when they realized that a (modern) gun only fires when the trigger is pulled, they enthusiastically absorbed everything else in my class and became my best students. Each recently got their CHPs and continue to practice regularly, improving their skills with each session. They realized that getting their CHPs was not the end of their training but the beginning of what they needed to continue to keep themselves and their loved-ones safe.

(07-07-2011, 10:00 AM)whiskeyjack Wrote: [ -> ]the ONLY safety you should EVER rely on is between your ears. PERIOD.
Negligent Discharge of a 1911 in a 5.11 thumbdrive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAxLX6OzE



I've carried a kimber and an XD where my life depended on it, Never again will I carry a kimber as a duty weapon. I carry my g19 with me.

Grip is subjective, I teach women to comfortably shoot glocks.

1911 grip angle is my preferance, thats all. Not sure why you had to through the women comment out there. lol.

That ND in that video was NOT in a 5.11 thumbdrive, it was in a Serpa. The problem was he switched from his Glock in the 5.11 to the Kimber in the Serpa. His muscle memory said to release the thumb drive, instead he released the safety. The outcome would have been the same regaurdless of the type of weapon! Its not the Kimbers fault, its his choice of holster. I would never use a Serpa design for that reason. The release mechanism requires the shooter to apply inward pressure with their trigger finger to release the gun. In quick draw or high stress situations when the gun/finger clear the top of the holster the inward pressure can cause the finger to slap into the trigger as you see in the video. IMO a design that requires you to pull your finger toward the trigger area when unholstering is inherently flawed.



(07-07-2011, 01:34 PM)Ken_In_Colo Wrote: [ -> ]I would never carry a pistol that had a manual safety. If it comes down to using it, the last thing a citizen needs to worry about is 'thumbing off' the safety. If you can't carry and operate a Glock, XD, or H&K safely, perhaps you should re-think carrying.

I agree with everything you said, but this statement. You said it yourself, practice regularly. 1911 style external safeties can be disengaged upon drawing the weapon. As long as it becomes muscle memory. They can be very reliable carry weapons for those who feel comfortable and are proficient with one. I carry an XD because of the added grip safety. Again, my prefrence. Not even saying its better than a Glock. Just better than a Glock FOR ME. Is it 100% safe? No way. No gun is. Whiskey's statement about safeties is 100% true. But the problem with whats between your ears is it can fail in a split second as well. Holsters can fail, belts can, things happen. All we can do is train, live by the four rules of gun safety, constantly inspect our equipment and do what ever else we can to take that percentage down as far as we possibly can. Oh yeah, MASTER GRIP MASTER GRIP MASTER GRIP. Bacondance

Agreed, to a certain extent. 1911 is the year the pistol was put into service. My main problem is this is the year 2011 and guns have evolved. FBI statistics state that if you are attack on the street you have a 53% chance of being attacked by 2 OR MORE PERSONS, look at the flash mobs that have happened recently. To qoute surefire "the fastest reload is the one you never have to do" "Within limitations I doubt ill be using the 100 round mag" So I train to shoot till the threat drops from personal experience it doesnt matter if you are packing a .45 or a .40 the two rounds I have personal had to use Its SHOT PLACEMENT that counts. So why only carry 6-7 rounds when you can carry 17? I'm not at all saying 1911s are bad guns but as the bow and arrow I do believe we have to evolve our weapons as technology progresses. The only reason I stress this is I had a malfunction after putting 2 rounds into a bad guy using a kimber warrior. The reason being that 1911's are quite vulnerable to dirt in their construction. Now am I saying that 1911's are terrible? No I'm saying that I do everything to increase my odds of surviving a encounter. "Including carrying a backup"
(07-08-2011, 08:42 PM)whiskeyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, to a certain extent. 1911 is the year the pistol was put into service. My main problem is this is the year 2011 and guns have evolved. FBI statistics state that if you are attack on the street you have a 53% chance of being attacked by 2 OR MORE PERSONS, look at the flash mobs that have happened recently. To qoute surefire "the fastest reload is the one you never have to do" "Within limitations I doubt ill be using the 100 round mag" So I train to shoot till the threat drops from personal experience it doesnt matter if you are packing a .45 or a .40 the two rounds I have personal had to use Its SHOT PLACEMENT that counts. So why only carry 6-7 rounds when you can carry 17? I'm not at all saying 1911s are bad guns but as the bow and arrow I do believe we have to evolve our weapons as technology progresses. The only reason I stress this is I had a malfunction after putting 2 rounds into a bad guy using a kimber warrior. The reason being that 1911's are quite vulnerable to dirt in their construction. Now am I saying that 1911's are terrible? No I'm saying that I do everything to increase my odds of surviving a encounter. "Including carrying a backup"

Very well put Whiskey.
I've shot Glocks, 1911s, Sigs, Rugers, and a lot of others. My choice of a carry gun will be my Browning Hi-power. It has never malfunctioned and I shoot it better than any other gun I would consider a real carry gun. Anybody a fan of the Browning?
love hi powers, my wife had one and i shot it all the time, to me its the best single action autopistol on the market. it shot so good and was comfortable and trouble free.
(07-08-2011, 08:42 PM)whiskeyjack Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, to a certain extent. 1911 is the year the pistol was put into service. My main problem is this is the year 2011 and guns have evolved. FBI statistics state that if you are attack on the street you have a 53% chance of being attacked by 2 OR MORE PERSONS, look at the flash mobs that have happened recently. To qoute surefire "the fastest reload is the one you never have to do" "Within limitations I doubt ill be using the 100 round mag" So I train to shoot till the threat drops from personal experience it doesnt matter if you are packing a .45 or a .40 the two rounds I have personal had to use Its SHOT PLACEMENT that counts. So why only carry 6-7 rounds when you can carry 17? I'm not at all saying 1911s are bad guns but as the bow and arrow I do believe we have to evolve our weapons as technology progresses. The only reason I stress this is I had a malfunction after putting 2 rounds into a bad guy using a kimber warrior. The reason being that 1911's are quite vulnerable to dirt in their construction. Now am I saying that 1911's are terrible? No I'm saying that I do everything to increase my odds of surviving a encounter. "Including carrying a backup"

uh, you know they make those in double-stack as well now, right?


I had to chime in here.
The 1911 external safety release... if it is not an integral part of your grip, you are doing it wrong.wink
It's all about personal preference. I own a single stack 1911, a 2011, an XD and I Have trained with Glocks.


There is nothing wrong with any of them. Train with your weapon as much as possible, Practice safely.
Proficiency is a far better ally than capacity or caliber.

I'll chime in as well. I'm not a Glock guy just because it doesn't point well for me as mentioned by others. Doesn't mean I wouldn't own one, just that I don't yet because it's not the best fir for my hand.
My 1911 points better than almost any other gun I've ever shot. But a close second would be the XD's.
(08-11-2011, 09:16 AM)Ape Wrote: [ -> ]I'll chime in as well. I'm not a Glock guy just because it doesn't point well for me as mentioned by others. Doesn't mean I wouldn't own one, just that I don't yet because it's not the best fir for my hand.
My 1911 points better than almost any other gun I've ever shot. But a close second would be the XD's.

I can modify the glock grip to be very much like a 1911 grip. pm me for more info.
(08-11-2011, 09:12 AM)Byte Stryke Wrote: [ -> ]uh, you know they make those in double-stack as well now, right?
I had to chime in here.
The 1911 external safety release... if it is not an integral part of your grip, you are doing it wrong.wink
It's all about personal preference. I own a single stack 1911, a 2011, an XD and I Have trained with Glocks.

For a gun that if I get it wet I need to clean that sucker and lube it for it to be 100% EVERY time it gets wet.

I have concerns of if I need it I need it to work. As I said I suffered a MAJOR MALFUNCTION at a VERY bad time with my kimber.

Now Due to certain things I need my guns to go bang with the most percentage possible. For me and 99% of your top tactical schools that is the glock.

The only 1911 I would really consider carrying everyday would be a nighthawk.
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