Carrying on Boulder property.

[Beau]

So recently I was up hiking outside of Boulder. I stopped at Boulder Canyon on Hwy 119. The signage on the trail heads read "No Firearms". Now I'm pretty sure they can't block people from carrying that have a CHP. My question is would open carry fly? If their no guns sign is invalid and it doesn't specifically state no OC.................

What do you guys think?

[Hammer03]

Doesn't carry the weight of law. Might as well say "waste of taxpayer money"

[Beau]

(07-30-2012 07:14 PM)Hammer03 Wrote:  Doesn't carry the weight of law. Might as well say "waste of taxpayer money"

I had a friend I was with take some pictures but he hasn't sent them to me yet. The next time I go for a ride I'll go that way and take some myself. I'll attach them to the email I plan on sending to Boulder county. I'm very interested in what their response will be. I'm not going to mention anything about OC. I don't want them taking down the no guns signs and replacing them with no OC signs. I'll post the letter I send and their response.

[Hammer03]

Still wouldn't carry the weight of law, due to state preemption.

[Beau]

(07-31-2012 07:01 PM)Hammer03 Wrote:  Still wouldn't carry the weight of law, due to state preemption.

No OC signs would carry the weight of law. C.R.S. states counties can regulate OC in public areas if signs are posted at every entrance to the area to be regulated.

[Hammer03]

Found out last night about Boulder's OC ban, sorry about that guys. I was under the impression it was just C&C Denver, didn't realize so many other cities were hopping on that train.

[Beau]

(08-02-2012 07:13 PM)Hammer03 Wrote:  Found out last night about Boulder's OC ban, sorry about that guys. I was under the impression it was just C&C Denver, didn't realize so many other cities were hopping on that train.

To my knowledge Boulders ban is unenforceable. I know people open carry there regularly. Like any other city they can restrict OC in public areas but signs must be posted at every entrance to the area to be restricted.

What did you hear and where that led you to believe they could ban OC?

[Hammer03]

CCW class on Wed night in the Springs. Not taking it as 100% sure fact (I don't live near anywhere involved) but he seemed to think that the case the state lost against Denver regarding OC bans opened the door for other localities to ban open carry if they wanted, and Boulder, Steamboat, Ft Collins, and some others were in the process of, trying to, or had already passed ordinances restricting or banning OC.

[PikesPeakMtnMan]

Denver's OC ban is based on their claim that they are "home-rule" which really doesn't make sense to me. I don't know the details of the court case that upheld Denver's ban but I do know that it was because one judge recused himself, resulting in split vote which meant that the standing ruling would continue to stand. Other cities try to jump on the "home-rule" bandwagon, but currently state law CLEARLY says that the ONLY OC bans cities can enact apply only to specific buildings and area and must meet certain restrictions and can't be a blanket prohibition city-wide. State law says nothing about home-rule status applying whatsoever, positively or negatively. And local laws CANNOT be stronger than state law, at least not with regards to firearms. The state has let cities retain the ability to regulate only the DISCHARGE of firearms. Cities, towns, counties have absolutely no say in your ability to transport, or carry your gun, as long as you obey state law you don't have to worry about whatever city law might still be on the books.

[Mean Gene]

I don't know about current individual cities oc laws, but it just makes sense to cc. When I got my ccw, the Boulder County Sheriff told me that it was perfectly legal to walk down Pearl Street Mall with a .44mag, a machete or whatever strapped to your hip. But, common sense would tell you not to do it. You're gonna freak people out and someone will call the cops. A cop will come and tell you to put it away.
I always recommend getting a ccw, just cuz it covers you in all situations. For example: A typical story is...a hunter has his .44 (or whatever) exposed in his holster (perfectly legal), then it starts to rain, and without thinking, he puts on his rain coat. Now the gun is concealed. A Game Warden walks over and gives him a summons for cc without a permit. Go figure, the laws are nuts.

[Indyrocker]

The Denver ban bugs me as I live just east of the line that separates Denver from Wheatridge so while I can oc in my place of residence but to walk to my truck I have to pack up and then wait till i get across Sheridan to oc again.

[PikesPeakMtnMan]

(01-29-2013 10:16 PM)Mean Gene Wrote:  I don't know about current individual cities oc laws...

I'm just pulling the first part of your post to clarify it.

Cities throughout the state must follow the same laws (except for Denver...) and that is that the ONLY place that cities/towns can prohibit OC is in city-owned property, such as buildings and parks...but they MUST have signs up at all entrances stating that OC is banned. They still can't do anything about legal CC, regardless of any OC ban.
http://www.cogunowners.com/showthread.ph...7#pid11687

[Beau]

(01-29-2013 10:16 PM)Mean Gene Wrote:  it just makes sense to cc. When I got my ccw, the Boulder County Sheriff told me that it was perfectly legal to walk down Pearl Street Mall with a .44mag, a machete or whatever strapped to your hip. But, common sense would tell you not to do it. You're gonna freak people out and someone will call the cops. A cop will come and tell you to put it away.

It makes sense to OC as well. There are pros and cons to both methods and there are times where I would prefer to carry a certain way so yes having a CHP does make sense so that both options are available.

Personally I am not worried about "freaking people out." If people are freaked out by a holstered firearm that is their problem, not mine. They can call police if they feel the need. While that hasn't happened to me yet I am prepared for it if it does. The police can come and tell me to "put it away" and I can tell them no thank you, I'd rather not.

Carry how you like and let others do the same.

[K.J.O. Firearms]

I always recommend getting a ccw, just cuz it covers you in all situations. For example: A typical story is...a hunter has his .44 (or whatever) exposed in his holster (perfectly legal), then it starts to rain, and without thinking, he puts on his rain coat. Now the gun is concealed. A Game Warden walks over and gives him a summons for cc without a permit. Go figure, the laws are nuts.
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Acctually, in the state of CO, if you have a curent hunting license and you are in the area you are huntin in with your licese, and it is within normal legal hunting hours, then you are allowed to carry concealed without a CHP!!! So unless this has changed, a warden cannot issue a citation for carrying concealed!

[bufordtjustice]

(02-01-2013 09:07 PM)K.J.O. Firearms Wrote:  I always recommend getting a ccw, just cuz it covers you in all situations. For example: A typical story is...a hunter has his .44 (or whatever) exposed in his holster (perfectly legal), then it starts to rain, and without thinking, he puts on his rain coat. Now the gun is concealed. A Game Warden walks over and gives him a summons for cc without a permit. Go figure, the laws are nuts.

Acctually, in the state of CO, if you have a curent hunting license and you are in the area you are huntin in with your licese, and it is within normal legal hunting hours, then you are allowed to carry concealed without a CHP!!! So unless this has changed, a warden cannot issue a citation for carrying concealed!
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Thats good to know kjo,i have been kicking around the idea of getting a contender to hunt with.

[PikesPeakMtnMan]

(02-01-2013 09:07 PM)K.J.O. Firearms Wrote:  Acctually, in the state of CO, if you have a curent hunting license and you are in the area you are huntin in with your licese, and it is within normal legal hunting hours, then you are allowed to carry concealed without a CHP!!! So unless this has changed, a warden cannot issue a citation for carrying concealed!

FWIW, that is my understanding as well. I am not a hunter and not well-versed in hunting-related laws but that is how I see things.