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Lakewood Shooting Range Reopening
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The Blue Point is a indoor shooting range at Wadsworth and Jewell. Its under new management now and hopefully will stay open for a while. The facility itself is not new but has gone through many owners. Looking forward to having another range to use and I also thing they have a rifle lane! I will try to get some contact info soon.
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#2
It's now called BluCore, here's the link:

http://blucoreshootingcenter.com/
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(02-20-2012, 01:49 PM)Bmrchk Wrote:  It's now called BluCore, here's the link:

http://blucoreshootingcenter.com/
Yep we know. I also know I will never go there. Here's why, clicky---->Business's against carry.

Why would I spend my money at a gun shop / range that threatens to draw down on customers for lawful carry?
Where can you carry? Check the editable COGO Carry Map
When in doubt. JFC.

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I also have a hard time supporting a business that sells firearms, but threatens to draw on anyone legally carrying one into their business.
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#5
Simple Rules. Don't walk in the door with an uncased firearm. (essentially holding an uncased rifle when you walk in the door, would make people/workers feel uneasy)

I suggest you talk to one of the owners of BluCore and get all the information personally before making judgements of them online from Hearsay. Don't call them, stop in and talk to them.

I've talked to them about this in an adult manner and got the answer I needed and will do business with them.

I'd say most everyone I've seen walking into Silver Bullet has a cased firearm and they don't have a rule for it, so I guess most people are good with this rule BluCore has in place.

my 2 cents.
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(02-20-2012, 09:21 PM)alang Wrote:  I also have a hard time supporting a business that sells firearms, but threatens to draw on anyone legally carrying one into their business.

I have to say I'm this camp as well.
Even though they're a 2A company, they are trying to infringe on my right to carry my legally loaded and carried gun on my hip? I've never been to a gun store or gun range that wouldn't let me walk in with my carry gun on my hip. And I never will.

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#7
Did you ask them nicely before coming in with your gun on the hip?
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(02-22-2012, 10:12 PM)gnihcraes Wrote:  Did you ask them nicely before coming in with your gun on the hip?

???????? Why would I ask to come in with my gun on my hip when it's legal to do so. Especially at a gun shop!
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#9
It's their shop, they can do what they want, private property. CCW OC or whatever.

I'll send you a PM...
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#10
You are correct, it is their shop. I don't like the rules, so I bring my business to a range where I like the rules.
Got a wife and kids in Baltimore jack, i went out for a ride and never went back. BS

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#11
Yep, I asked nicely and they gave me the answers I wanted, so I do business with them.

Polite clarification of their polices and rules was to my liking.

Your mileage may vary.

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(02-23-2012, 10:57 PM)kj4963 Wrote:  You are correct, it is their shop. I don't like the rules, so I bring my business to a range where I like the rules.

Exactly how I feel as well. Thumbsup

I agree whole heartedly with being courteous and polite gnihcraes. Which is part of the reason I carry. But as I said in my PM, it's a 2 way street for that kind of thing. And assuming I'm an idiot with bad intentions because I'm OCing with a good holster while entering a store that supposedly supports our 2A rights.... seems more like an impolite tactic to me.
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(02-24-2012, 10:37 PM)gnihcraes Wrote:  Yep, I asked nicely and they gave me the answers I wanted, so I do business with them.

Polite clarification of their polices and rules was to my liking.

Your mileage may vary.

Talked to the owner on Sunday about the OC policy, he said they used to allow OC until some guy came in carrying a rifle waving it around. They asked him to leave and he stepped outside but kept looking in through the window. At that point they felt the most prudent thing for the safety of all concerned was to say no to OC.
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#14
Well I guess it's a good thing they are only making policies and not laws.

Making policy that effects every customer based on the actions of one or even a few seems pretty silly.


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When in doubt. JFC.

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So I don't open carry outside my own property, and don't feel their policy is silly.
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(02-28-2012, 07:55 PM)gnihcraes Wrote:  So I don't open carry outside my own property, and don't feel their policy is silly.

So you're all for rights as long as people have to pay to exercise them?
Where can you carry? Check the editable COGO Carry Map
When in doubt. JFC.

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They are a GUN RANGE That does not allow people to carry guns!!!! Am I the only one who thinks this is ODD?!?!?!?!?!?!? If the employees feel like they need to, then they should carry themselves, then when the idiot starts "waving a rifle around" they can protect themselves and customers. That being said, if they would just allow OC then you would have 10-50 other peole willing to protect themselves from the dummy that is waving a rifle around!!! I got an idea, lets be like Clinton and give them guns but no ammo!!! Just seems stupid to me!!
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(02-29-2012, 09:40 PM)K.J.O. Firearms Wrote:  They are a GUN RANGE That does not allow people to carry guns!!!! Am I the only one who thinks this is ODD?!?!?!?!?!?!? If the employees feel like they need to, then they should carry themselves, then when the idiot starts "waving a rifle around" they can protect themselves and customers. That being said, if they would just allow OC then you would have 10-50 other peole willing to protect themselves from the dummy that is waving a rifle around!!! I got an idea, lets be like Clinton and give them guns but no ammo!!! Just seems stupid to me!!

No, you are not the only one that thinks it's odd, that's why they are on the business' against carry thread.
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(02-21-2012, 12:14 AM)Ape Wrote:  I have to say I'm this camp as well.
Even though they're a 2A company, they are trying to infringe on my right to carry my legally loaded and carried gun on my hip? I've never been to a gun store or gun range that wouldn't let me walk in with my carry gun on my hip. And I never will.

(02-28-2012, 02:40 PM)Beau Wrote:  Well I guess it's a good thing they are only making policies and not laws.

Making policy that effects every customer based on the actions of one or even a few seems pretty silly.

(02-28-2012, 08:36 PM)Beau Wrote:  So you're all for rights as long as people have to pay to exercise them?

I'll assume you're talking about paying for the right to CCW? Against what the 2A says.

Yep, I paid for the right to CCW. Open Carry doesn't work for me on a Personal Level. Not a "Rights" level. YMMV.

I guess I don't see BluCore as infringing on my 2A right.
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#20
For me it comes down to this:

Most shooting ranges that are out there have a policy something along the lines of:

All firearms must be in a case or holster at all times while not on the range.

This type of policy still allows you to carry - open or concealed, but requires that you act appropriately. BluCore has made the choice to create a policy that omits the "holster" part of this, and they have taken it a step further by stating that they may draw on anyone carrying a firearm that is not in a "case", including those who are carrying a firearm in a holster. They are well within their rights to do that as it is private property, and because they have the right to make that decision I'm fine with them doing so. However, by them making that decision, I have made the choice to not be a customer of theirs. A decision that I am fully within my rights to do. There are enough other ranges that will allow you to enter their business while still carrying for me to want to go to someplace that will not.

I understand, and completely agree with, the need for safety whenever firearms are involved, but I still disagree with their policy. To make a policy based on one idiot's poor judgement seems a little rash to me. Ask the person to leave and tell them that they are no longer welcome back in your establishment, but don't hold everyone else accountable for that person's actions. That is the same mentality that the anti-gun establishment uses - because one person went out and committed a crime with a gun, every gun must be taken away.
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